Hello everybody, it's Will here to introduce some bonus chop-o content for you.

True, this is a re-up of an interview I did on another podcast, but gosh darn it, it's

one I liked so much, I hope you won't mind me sharing it with you again.

This is up there with the Adam Curtis interview for me in terms of how much I admire the

person I was talking to and how profound the things they said were.

It comes courtesy of a guest spot I did on the Antifada podcast with Jamie and Sean,

who were kind enough to let me sit in with them and interview one of my all-time favorite

writers, Kim Stanley Robinson.

Kim Stanley Robinson is a sci-fi author, probably best known for his Red Mars trilogy, which

follows the human colonization and terraforming of Mars over several hundred years.

These books are hard sci-fi, I would say, in that they take the science part seriously,

but unlike so many other similar authors, he also takes political economy seriously as

well.

As the old saying goes, it's easier for us to imagine the end of the world than the end

of capitalism, and for Stan and his books, they certainly do not take that easy way out.

And I think that's very important.

As you will hear in the interview, his books do not simply assume that the future will

inevitably be end up as some kind of mad-max scenario where we're all fucking killing

each other for gas or a can of dog food.

And this focus on dystopia is something that's very prevalent in popular culture right now.

And it's obviously something that I've used as a comedic device on the show, probably

countless times.

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