This week on The Perfect Scamp.

I got caught up in the moment.

I have emotions and I wished I'd stopped and paused for a second and looked a little deeper.

So, yeah, anyone can and probably will be a victim of

scam at some point.

Welcome back to the perfect scam. I'm your host Bob Sullivan. We've just finished

another season, season 13 full of crimes, duplicity, and hope thanks to all the brave victims who've had the courage to speak

with us and tell us their stories. It's a good time to take stock of where we are in the fight

against scams, and it's still early enough in 2023 to talk about

what kinds of crime we should all look out for this year.

And here to help us do both those things are Frank McKenna and I yell at Bigger Levine.

In a moment you'll hear from Frank, who was actually one of the first people involved in the fight against digital age crime,

specifically credit card fraud on the internet.

But first, let's meet Ayyell it.

She spent two decades helping financial institutions fight criminals,

and she has a new project devoted to honoring the work of fraud fighters.

You'll hear about that soon, too. But we begin our conversation with a simple question.

Where do things stand in the fight against us? conversation with a simple question.

Where do things stand in the fight against fraud?

I think we're at the very beginning in the US

when it comes to scams, because typically cyber criminals start in the UK when it comes to fraud and with the most

advanced attack vectors and then we see them eventually ending up here as well. I think here it's just the

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