Hey Dark Downeasters, it's Kylie. I'm so grateful to be able to share this special

companion episode of Dark Down East with you. If you've listened to the stories of Patricia Walsh and

Mary Ann Wysaki, you know that much of what I learned about these women in

their stories, as well as the man who stole their lives, came from a book written by Liza Rodman and Jennifer

Jordan, called The Babysitter.

Its pages are filled with part memoir, part investigative reporting.

Liza Rodman walks through the memories of her childhood,

living in Provincetown on Cape Cod.

She and her sister were often left in the care of the hotel handyman who

doubled as a babysitter. Tony Costa, the same man who would go on to be charged and convicted of the murders of Pat Walsh and

Marian Wysaki, and he's suspected of at least two others. This special companion episode of Dark Down East is different

from what you're used to hearing on the show. This conversation with Jennifer Jordan

and Liza Rodman explores the work that went into researching Tony Costa.

The process of digging into Liza's often challenging and traumatic childhood.

What they learned about the women lost to Cape Cod's serial killer hiding in plain sight, and why Liza might have been spared a similar fate.

I'm Kiley Lowe Lowe and I'm pleased to welcome Liza Rodman and

Jennifer Jordan to Dark Down East. I am so grateful to have you both here on Dark Downeese. I would love to start first with introducing

you to my audience. Who are you beyond the name under the title of the babysitter, who are you, what do you do, what lights you up right now.

Go ahead Jen.

No, I want to think about it, you go ahead.

Oh, you do.

Who am I?

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