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Conversations With Coleman

BONUS: The 1987 Book that Explains Mamdani’s Victory

Conversations With Coleman

The Free Press

Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Today, I’m bringing you a special bonus episode with professor Shilo Brooks. Shilo is the host of a new Free Press books podcast called, 'Old School'. For our conversation, I picked Thomas Sowell’s A Conflict of Visions. Although our conversation happened months before Mamdani's victory yesterday, I think Sowell’s theory of the two “visions” that shape modern politics is helpful to understanding this election cycle--and why some people buy into utopian projects of remaking society, while others trust the quiet power of incentive structures like free markets. It was a great conversation and I am excited to share part of it with you today. This is just a section, for the rest of the discussion search for Old School with Shilo Brooks wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Last night, the once unimaginable happened. New York City elected a socialist as mayor.

0:06.6

Zoran Mamdani is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, an organization dedicated to, quote,

0:12.4

transforming the power relations of global capitalism. Across the country, DSA membership numbers are at an all-time

0:19.2

high. Mamdani's unlikely victory victory and the momentum of progressive Democrats in general

0:24.1

is the latest sign that another profound shift in our politics could be underway.

0:29.3

But how did we get here?

0:31.1

I don't think you can answer that question without reading Thomas Sowell.

0:35.6

Seoul is one of the world's most influential economists and philosophers, and he's written

0:39.9

more than 45 books.

0:42.7

But a conflict of visions, first published in 1987, is his favorite.

0:47.6

In that book, he traces the underlying logic behind all modern political divides.

0:52.6

Why is it that knowing someone's position on one issue,

0:55.5

say gun control, makes it easy to predict their position on totally unrelated issues like abortion?

1:02.1

Some people would chalk it up to simple tribalism. But Seoul, who was a Marxist as a young man

1:08.1

before becoming one of the most important conservative thinkers in

1:11.1

America argues that it's something much deeper. A clash of instinctive visions about human nature

1:17.9

and the limits of social engineering. A conflict of visions is the book that I chose to discuss

1:24.1

with Shiloh Brooks on his new podcast, Old School. Our conversation, which was

1:29.5

recorded well before yesterday's election, illuminates why some of us buy into utopian projects

1:35.1

that seek to remake society, while others trust the quiet power of incentive structures,

1:40.5

like free markets. It was a great conversation, and I'm excited to share part of it with you

1:45.6

today. This is just a section. For the rest of the discussion, search for Old School with Shiloh

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