BONUS RE-AIR Conversations: Othering Women in the Origins of Western Medicine w/ Dr Christie Vogler (Parts 1 and 2

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! | Greek Mythology & the Ancient Mediterranean

Liv Albert

Arts, Comedy, History

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🗓️ 8 March 2026

⏱️ 206 minutes

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TW! Horrors of Women's/Female Health. Liv speaks with Dr Christie Vogler about the long and storied and utterly infuriating ancient history of women's medicine in the West. Check out Christie's podcast, Movies We Dig, now part of the Memory Collective podcast network! Pre-order Liv's Odyssey adaptation (!!!), The Odyssey: a Modern Retelling. Submit your question for the next Q&A via email or a voice note. Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby. Enter our podcast guest form if you'd like to be on the show as a conversation guest!

Recommended reading and sources: Cleghorn, Elinor. 2022. Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine and Myth in a Man-made World; Cooper Owens, Deirdre. 2018. Medical Bondage: Race, Gender, and the Origins of American Gynecology; Draycott, Jane. 2021. Roman Domestic Medical Practice in Central Italy: From the Middle Republic to the Early Empire; Joshel, Sandra R. 1992. Work, Identity, and Legal Status at Rome: A Study of the Occupational Inscriptions; Mulder, Tara. 2016. “The Hippocratic Oath in Roe v. Wade | by Tara Mulder.” EIDOLON; Nutton, Vivian. 2013. Ancient Medicine; Ripat, Pauline. 2016. “Roman Women, Wise Women, and Witches.”; “Roe v. Wade | 410 U.S. 113 (1973).”; Stanley Spaeth, Barbette. 2014. “From Goddess to Hag: The Greek and the Roman Witch in Classical Literature.” In Daughters of Hecate: Women and Magic in the Ancient World, edited by Kimberly B. Stratton and Dayna S. Kalleres; Upson-Saia, Kristi, Heidi Marx, and Jared Secord. 2023. Medicine, Health, and Healing in the Ancient Mediterranean (500 BCE–600 CE): A Sourcebook; Woods, Robert. 2007. “Ancient and Early Modern Mortality: Experience and Understanding.” The Economic History Review 60.

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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Learn more about Liv's next group trip to GREECE, this time following along with Ariadne's escape from Theseus. Pre-order Liv's new book, The Odyssey: a Modern Retelling. Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby.

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0:34.1	Thanks and happy listening.
1:11.4	Music description. Thanks and happy listening. Hello, this is let's Talk About Myths, baby.
1:14.3	And I, I'm here with a quick introduction.
1:22.2	I actually, you'll hear, I start today's conversation episode by attempting to actually do the introduction in the episode.
1:25.7	Because I'm trying to do that now so that I don't have this extra piece.
1:28.3	All to say, there's going to be a double me singing that song. But I am here with this extra introduction because I just
1:34.7	listen back to this episode and so many things, so many things are happening. So I spoke today with
1:42.5	Dr. Christy Vogler, who is a returning guest and who studies medicine
1:47.3	in the ancient world, but specifically how medicine interacts with women in varied ways.
1:55.5	And so this conversation, if you can believe it, is fucking fascinating.
2:00.2	It's also only part one because we
2:02.2	talked for an hour and a half and only got through half of what we wanted to say. And it's really
2:07.0	good and really powerful. I can't wait for you to hear both parts. But I have to share that since we
2:12.9	recorded this on January 24th, which is just like really relevant because we were both slightly unhinged.
2:19.0	You know, we'd, we'd just watched a Nazi salute performed at an inauguration and everything else
2:29.2	that that happened over the like three days in between us recording and the fascist inauguration
2:38.3	into the United States. And so it's just like there's a lot happening here. But Christy is also
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