Well, welcome to a special edition of the Breakpoint podcast. I've been wanting to have this

conversation for a while. And as more and more articles come out talking about things like

quiet revival in the UK and re-enchantment, the kind of language that's being used by Rod Dreher and others, including my guests today.

Justin Breyerly is a well-known podcast host. In fact, I know most of you are just hearing this on

audio only, but he looks like a podcast host. He just has, he's got the headphones and the mic.

He's a professional. Many of you know him from the unbelievable podcast, which he helped

launch, which really for a really long time hosted super interesting conversations between believers

and non-believers on controversial topics. It's probably good, Justin, for some of those topics

that you guys weren't in this, although sometimes you were in the same place, but that you weren't the same place because there may have been some fistfights. Yeah, I sometimes felt like that, you know, I was glad two guests were on the end of a phone line occasionally, though the in-person ones, you know, you can't be doing something in person in the end. Well, that's right, you can't. And I mean, some of the most tense conversations, in a good way. You have this kind of soothing voice that I think just, you know, covers over a multitude of sense. But some of the most controversial ones were between believers that, you know, opposed each other on really important things. But your book, two books, unbelievable, why after 10 years of talking with atheists, I'm still a Christian, and the new one,

the surprising rebirth of belief in God, also has become a podcast documentary series.

You now co-host the Reenchanting podcast, and you have been tracking this.

You've written on this in major publications, and you're having conversations about this all the time, had the privilege

of finally meeting you in person at the ARC conference. When was that? That was back in the spring,

yeah. And we had a little bit of this conversation as part of our truth rising series that we're

working on. We've talked about some of the individuals that are featured in there,

but it's good to have you on the Breakpoint podcast. Thanks for doing this.

Pleasure to be here. And yeah, I've long been an admirer of all you do, John. So lovely to

be with you. We're having this conversation here on Tuesday, August the 26, just as a marker for everyone.

And it was just what was it last Sunday, that there was a fascinating article,

another in kind of the series talking about, you know, listen, something's going on.

Young people are going back to the church, these British churches that were famous for being empty.

Just what? A decade ago or a few years ago,

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