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Jonesy is midweek. We rarely do a pod midweek do it, but this is special.

Rare but not unprecedented. True. We're always prepared to bonus pod as and when necessary.

And I feel this is one of those occasions. We're halfway through the

Ultimate Nationals. We're halfway through that World Cup cycle.

I mean, it feels quite fortunate at the time of the year. It's been two years since we've had

fans back in the Southern Hemisphere, Northern Hemisphere, a colliding. So it's nice to be able to

get the opinion of knows exactly what it takes. The come-up here, storm many countries,

win a World Cup and give us an insight, not just on his time in the game, being a coach, but

the game globally as well. Yeah, so we've got a long in depth chat now with the World Cup winning

former All Black coach, Steve Hanson, a man who is former boss at the NZ rugby union said,

had a record that would never be bettered, full stop as an All Blacks head coach.

We get through loads of issues, Hugo, just rattle through one or two for the listeners.

Like, I'll fall. Well, listen now for. I'll tell you what, the most positive he was in the whole

interview is about the women's game. And that was really nice to finish on that positive,

but he spoke about the fear of the game and the physicality and head collisions can

cash in. We spoke about the global calendar. He mentioned a number of words several times.

Ego, self-interest and finance. And I thought that was really fascinating. He also talked about

the psychology of pressure and dealing with it. I loved it. He's a great man with a lot to say.

Yeah, I find that fascinating him talking about how in a World Cup, where so many people put so

many of their chips and what can happen? One bad training session, one bad day, one bad selection,

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