Hello. Hello. Good morning. Hey. Good morning. Good afternoon at 1202.

Yeah. Where are you guys? We are in Portland, Oregon. Oh my God. You got a burly. Yeah.

Yeah. Just for you. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know you were that far west.

Yeah. Okay. We're used to it. We actually have phone conversations with people all over the place.

Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you doing this early to for my sake.

And for your sake. Oh, well, Mark, I am Steve, by the way. Nice to meet you, Steve.

The other gentleman would be Joe. Hey, that's me. Oh, okay. Hi. Hey, how are you doing? Yeah. And by the way, can you hear us?

Okay. I can't. Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah. Alrighty. Well, should we should we talk about some Atlantis today? Yeah.

Do you want to talk about a land by the way before we get into the whole thing? You're about to head off to Alaska to research your name. I am. I am.

Talk about that at all. Sure. Sure. You know, you know, people who don't know my other work, they see I've written a book about Atlantis and you tend to get categorized.

Yeah. That's one of those guys who's, you know, got Atlantis type hypothesis of these talking. And they're all guys with the exception of maybe like Madame Blavatsky.

And, you know, they're, they're surprised to hear that, you know, this is actually just one sort of thing that I do.

I wrote a book about Machu Picchu and Peru a few years ago. I heard about that. And, you know, I sort of retraced the expedition from 1911 on which fell on him.

Hiram Bingham rediscovered Machu Picchu almost accidentally. And this new book in Alaska is a little bit more like that.

It's retracing an expedition from 1899 where the railroad tycoon E.A. Terraman, who is just sort of done an aggressive takeover of the Union Pacific railroad.

His doctor tells him, you know, you're going to have a heart attack if you don't go on vacation for the summer.

So, Hiram and being the type of person he is decides he's going to sort of outfit a boat into a luxury yacht and take two dozen of America's smartest scientists, environmentalists, artists, etc.

And bring them on this boat and they're all going to go off together and explore this unknown coast of the territory of Alaska, which is still, you know, pretty, pretty much a territory incognated at that point.

And it is. And it's, what's interesting is it's, you know, it's like the height of the gold rush.

You're switching from like the Yukon gold rush to the known gold rush. And one of the people on the boat is John Muir, who at that point has just written the two or three articles that are sort of the same.

The corn are stolen of American conservation. And he has just found this year a club and this sort of clash of personalities between Haram and Muir at this exact moment in Alaska history, which sort of parallels Alaska right now.

I don't know how much you've been keeping track of like the oil problems they're having in Alaska.

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