Bonus Interview: Killers Of The Flower Moon Author David Grann (from 2017)

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🗓️ 23 October 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

As loyal Frotcast listeners may have already known, I interviewed David Grann, author of the best-selling book on which the new Martin Scorsese movie was based, back in 2017. We got deep into what the book meant, the characters involved, why he wanted to write it, what it means, and how he reported it. At the very least, it’s a nice little background/companion piece for the film (which is much different than the book, even if most of the facts are the same).

Here’s how I described the book in my review that I haven't finished writing:

Flower Moon the book is a lot of things, but mostly it’s the story of a genocide told through the structure of a true crime tale. Grann delivers a barn burner of a murder mystery about a greedy landowner, his cat’s-paw nephew, his nephew’s Osage wife, and the FBI agent who uncovers it all, before zooming out to reveal that it was all part of a larger-scale plan of dispossession and erasure in which virtually the entire state of Oklahoma was complicit.

Anyway, enjoy the interview, I certainly did.

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0:00.0	Howdy gang, Vince here. There's a movie coming out this weekend that you might have heard of called
0:07.1	Killers of the Flower Moon from Martin Scorsese. And I don't know if you also know this part but believe it or not before
0:16.1	it was a movie it was a book by a guy named David Gran and as luck would have it I actually interviewed David Gran. And as luck would have it, I actually interviewed David Gran
0:24.9	back in 2017 when the book came out.
0:28.6	And I thought with the movie coming out,
0:31.4	which I'm about to go see right now. I thought it might be a fun time to revisit
0:36.2	that interview that we did back in the day. The sound quality is kind of crappy, but I think you, think you know it's not too bad to listen to
0:45.5	for an interview yeah I don't think we get too spoil in in the interview as far as the movie goes.
0:55.6	I know the movie is a little bit different than the book,
0:59.3	but you know, some of the things
1:01.2	that you maybe want to know going into the interview.
1:04.0	The characters in the book.
1:08.0	The book is about sort of this, a lot of it is about a sort of wealthy landowner in Oklahoma and he sort of
1:18.9	of has this plot to dispossess the Osage Indians of their mineral rights, because it turned out their land
1:28.0	actually was on the site of a big oil deposit, and so they were all making money off of the mineral rights and a lot of people were, you know, basically systematically knocking them off in order to inherit the mineral rights to all the oil
1:46.3	that was under there.
1:48.3	One of the characters, the wealthy landowner who is played by Robert DeNiro in the movie.
1:53.0	His name is William Hale.
1:54.6	I don't think we mention him by name in the interview.
1:58.0	I think David refers to him the way one of the Osage descendants referred to him as the devil
2:06.0	who was in a picture that they had in their museum they had cropped him out of the
2:10.6	picture because they couldn't stand to look at him in the movie Leonardo DiCaprio plays Ernest Burkhart,
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