Hey, guys, Liz Wheeler here.

I hope you enjoyed Friday's episode

with Dr. Miriam Grossman as much as I did.

She is such a phenomenal person,

and so I was engrossed listening to her.

We ended up talking for so much longer

than we had planned that I have extra parts of the interview

that I did with her to show you today.

So here you go.

John Money had forever damaged these two boys

so profoundly.

The twin who was not, you know, the other twin,

the twin that was raised as a boy,

ended up overdosing on opioids.

And then a few years later, David committed suicide.

He shot himself.

Now, so, you know, there's a lot of lessons

to be learned from this.

And one is how an arrogant psychopathic doctor

can have such an impact not only on this family,

but on the entire profession of psychology,

psychiatry, human development.

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