Hello, listeners, it's your host, Pete Davis here.

Just stopping by the main feed to share that over at the bird feed, we just dropped an interview with Pulitzer Prize winner, ProPublica senior reporter,

an investigative journalist extraordinaire, Jesse Isinger.

Jesse is the author of The Chicken Shit Club,

Why the Justice Department Fals to Prosecute Executants,

and is an expert on white-collar crime and its feckless prosecutors.

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We'll have another main episode on here next week. But for now, here's an excerpt from my

interview with Jesse Eisenger.

There are many different threads here that all culminated in our white-collar prosecution crisis.

So going back 40 years in the 60s and 70s, prosecutors never focused on trying to rein corporations in. When they saw white-collar crime at corporations, they focused on prosecuting individuals. So they would prosecute the highest level

individual that they could, hoping for the CEO or the chairman of the board. And then they would

prosecute the enablers, the accountants and the lawyers when they saw fraud. That's completely

changed. Now, today, what we do is we focus on settling with corporations for money instead of

prosecuting individuals. That transformation has been complex and subtle and unplanned and ad hoc and has utterly altered the way we go about trying to

prosecute corporate crime. And my argument is that that simply does not work. The regime is

broken because we see recidivist corporations. We see BP and Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan and Wells Fargo and Pfizer,

and the list goes on and on, repeatedly violating the rules and the law and getting fines that are

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