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Trains, now on Uber. T's and welcome to the bonus episode of my interview with Ava Rice, the author of The Lost

Art of Keeping Secrets.

If you haven't listened to my chat with Lauren Bravo about the book yet, maybe go back and

listen so you get the full 360 degree experience.

Here's my full conversation with Avra in which we discuss

Take Fat, Pony Books and Bad Book covers. Thank you so much for taking some time to

talk to us about this absolute jewel of a book. Thank you. I honestly, I said this

on the main episode as well, but I have no qualms about saying it again and looking like a total

kiss hours, which is I think it's one of the best written novels of the 21st century.

Oh my gosh I'll take that any day the week.

In terms of the range of emotions I felt while reading it from like sort of

intense sort of nostalgia but also this thing of what I loved so much about it is

that the 50s are this incredible in-between time and that often get washed over as being either a precursor

to the 60s or just this kind of hangover from the war. And what's so

interesting is that you have got these characters who are in this transition period of their own.

They're in this kind of, they're not quite a, not a girl not yet a woman sort of scenario.

And so you've got like these transitionary characters within this transitionary part of the history.

Yes.

I'd love to hear more on how you came up with that sort of.

Well that was what you've just talked about there was exactly what I was trying to nail in terms of the geography of the book in a way

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