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Bonus episode: This Passover, we find our freedom

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Haviv Rettig Gur

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🗓️ 11 April 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Passover is upon us, the seder is Saturday night.Freedom, the Sages teach, is not an end, it is a path; no mere escape from Pharaoh's tyranny but a becoming, filled with substance and responsibility and devotion; no one-off achievement but a ceaseless struggle to secure and deepen who and what we are.This bonus episode offers a few short thoughts that I teach my children at our seder each year about the meaning of this holiday, and thus the meaning of our peoplehood and freedom.This episode is sponsored by the Sapir Journal, a wonderful quarterly journal devoted to ideas for a thriving Jewish future, edited by the Pulitzer-prize-winning Bret Stephens.If you live in the United States, you can now receive SAPIR in the mail absolutely free. You can sign up for your free subscription by going to sapirjournal.org/AskHaviv.Please join me on Patreon to support this project: ⁠ www.patreon.com/AskHavivAnything⁠ If you would like to sponsor an episode, please email us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.A podcast by Haviv Rettig Gur

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0:00.0

Hi, everybody. Welcome to a quick bonus episode I'm doing from the road. I'm traveling this time with my family, so it's actually kind of wonderful. Usually I travel without them. It is Thursday, April 10. In two days, April 12, it's going to be Passover, Pesach. We're going to

0:22.3

have the Seder, the Big Meal, which is built as one of the most astonishing lessons and

0:27.4

lesson plans that have ever been written, I think. Instead of sort of bringing the kids in

0:33.7

and dumping a lot of information on them, which is a lot of times how education works,

0:39.0

there's an entire theory of education that goes into the Seder.

0:43.4

We do weird things.

0:45.2

We eat weird foods.

0:47.0

We perform, you know, various observances of Judaism differently than we do at other times.

0:53.7

We try and create situations where

0:55.7

kids out of sheer curiosity will look at us weird adults doing weird things and say, hey, wait a second.

1:01.5

That's weird. Something's going on. What's happening? And then we say to them, well, thank you for

1:06.0

asking. Here is the story. Here's the story of the Exodus from Egypt, of the Jews becoming a people.

1:11.6

Here is the meaning of that story, the power of that story, the reason that story still matters to us today.

1:16.6

So it is a pedagogy of drawing curiosity out of the child and bringing that curiosity into the table, into the conversation.

1:26.6

It's a wonderful, beautiful thing.

1:28.4

It's an exercise in the best kind of education.

1:31.7

You do the strange thing, say the strange thing, and then wait for the question.

1:36.4

When the person has, of their own initiative, ask the question, when their curiosity is engaged, they're open to being taught, to being shown something new.

1:46.3

That is the Passover Seder.

1:49.1

It is a holiday of freedom.

1:51.4

It is what we will be telling our kids is this is how we became a free people.

1:57.4

This is how we became a people at all.

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