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DISGRACELAND

Bonus Episode - Suffering Souls, Subversion, and More Great Girl Groups

DISGRACELAND

Exactly Right and iHeartPodcasts

Society & Culture, Music, True Crime

4.613.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

This week in the After Party, Jake is thinking about the connection between psychopathy, artistry, and trauma. So many great artists are also undeniably damaged people. Is their trauma at the root of both their artistry and their disgraceful behavior? Plus, we hear more from you on great girl groups!


Next week, we're bringing you the terrifying story of Bjork and an obsessed fan , and Jake wants to know: What is the most wild and deranged story of obsessive fandom in music history? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod.


For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:

Episode 12 - James Brown

Episode 155 and 215 - Sean "Diddy" Combs


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life?

0:05.0

Just a touch to get you through?

0:07.3

Yeah, me too.

0:08.7

This is the podcast that comes after the podcast.

0:11.7

Welcome to Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party.

0:32.8

This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are

0:43.7

talking about this week's full episode subject on Marilyn Manson. We are previewing the coming

0:49.5

Bjork episode, talking about the worst bands of the 90s, and we go through your voicemails, text,

0:55.2

DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy.

0:59.0

All right discos, let's get into it.

1:19.3

So I'm reading this great book called Maidens by Alex Mekyllides. I think that's how you pronounce his name.

1:24.7

Apologies, Alex, if I got that wrong. It's one of those modern-day Agatha Christie type whodunit books that we've talked about here. Books I love, books I know

1:28.6

a bunch of you love as well. And last night I came across this passage that I thought was super

1:32.8

relevant to the music in true crime storytelling that we're doing here. It's short. I'm going to

1:37.8

read it to you now. It says, a long time ago, psychopathy used to be called simply evil. People who were evil, who took delight

1:47.1

in hunting or killing others, were written about ever since Medea took an axe to her children,

1:52.6

and probably long before that. The word psychopath was coined by a German psychiatrist in 1888, the same year Jack the Ripper terrorized London.

2:05.0

From the German word psychopastiche, literally meaning suffering soul.

2:11.3

For Mariana, that's the character in the book, for Mariana, this was the clue, the suffering,

2:15.8

the sense that these monsters were also in pain.

2:20.1

Thinking about them as victims allowed her to be more rational in her approach and more compassionate.

2:27.1

Psychopathy or sadism never appeared from nowhere. It was not a virus infecting someone out of the blue.

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