Hey debunk mates, Mike here. Just letting you know it's a bit of a different episode today.

A couple of weeks ago, the co-hosts of the feminist present podcast, Laura Good and Adrian

Dobb got in touch with us to ask us if we wanted to be on their show. And their show is really good

and really interesting and has interviewed some of our favorite writers. And so we said yes.

And since they asked us a lot of the stuff that listeners often ask us, things about like how we

met and how we research the show and stuff like that, we thought we would just put it into our feed

so that if you're interested in that, you can take a listen. So this is us chatting with Laura

and Adrian about true crime and the 90s and feminism and Jessica Simpson. So enjoy and we'll see you soon.

How did you guys meet and why are you friends? Uh, Mike, you, well, okay, I'll tell the first part.

The beginning of how Mike and I met is that in 2010, I started looking at the legacy of Tanya Harding,

who I had grown up with, the idea of as someone who grew up in Oregon and became obsessed with her

and how she had been done wrong by the media and just lectured people in bars about it. And over the

course of like four years of just like thinking and obsessing over it and really like growing into

the subject and growing into the kind of writer I had to be to in any real way, hopefully do her

right through a piece of writing, published a piece on Tanya Harding. And then Mike, this is where

your story begins. Yeah, and then enter Mike. And then I read the article which is called

Remote Control and is still among probably the five best things I've ever read. And it was a

completely new way of looking at history to me and there were two sort of things about it that

really stuck out to me was that one it was extremely well written and extremely empathic. And then

secondly, it was sort of like this retelling of the Tanya Harding story, but without using like secret

sources or like declassified accounts like, I spent days and days with Tanya Harding. It was like,

no, it was all there all along. Like all we had to do was pay attention in the first place. And the

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