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🗓️ 10 October 2022
⏱️ 80 minutes
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On October 6, 2022, University of British Columbia faculty members Mohammed Rafi Arefin and Naomi Klein from the new Centre for Climate Justice co-moderated a livestream discussion about the upcoming COP27 summit that will be held in Egypt, while the country’s most prominent pro-democracy activist, Alaa Abd El Fattah, remains in prison.
As the world gets hotter, basic freedoms are under ever greater assault around the globe. These trends are about to collide in dramatic fashion at the upcoming United Nations climate summit, which this year takes place in Egypt, under the iron rule of Gen. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. Just a decade ago, Cairo’s Tahrir Square was synonymous with a hopeful, youth-led movement for liberation and democracy. Today, journalists are routinely arrested and thousands of political prisoners languish behind bars. With Egypt on the front lines of climate impacts and escalating repression, this panel discussion tackled tough questions about the relationship between meaningful climate action and political freedom. Is it possible to have one without the other? Are Egypt’s political prisoners being sacrificed in the name of climate urgency? What are the responsibilities of those choosing to attend the summit? What pressure can be brought to bear in this microcosm of the intersection of climate and justice? What pressure points exist for political action in Egypt’s debt negotiations and the government’s drive to attract foreign capital in areas like green energy?
Hear from Sanaa Seif, sister of Alaa Abd El Fattah, as well as celebrated writers, journalists, and activists Omar Robert Hamilton, Sharif Abdel Kouddous, and Bill McKibben.
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0:33.9 | Hi Intercepted listeners, it's Naomi Klein, senior contributing writer at the Intercept |
0:38.9 | and co-director of the Center for Climate Justice at the University of British Columbia. |
0:44.0 | I wanted to drop in and share a live stream I recently co-hosted called Egypt's Carceral |
0:49.3 | Climate Summit. |
0:50.7 | 11 years ago, Cairo's Tejuer Square captured the world's imagination with a hopeful youth-led |
0:57.0 | movement for liberation and democracy. |
0:59.9 | Day after day, night after night, young people held that square, refusing to leave until |
1:05.9 | their country was transformed. |
1:07.8 | They turned Tejuer into a site of radical participatory democracy where they denounced corruption |
1:13.7 | and systemic torture. |
1:15.2 | They faced down police, risked their lives, and vowed to avenge their murdered friends. |
1:20.6 | Initially, they built enough power to topple Hosni Mubarak, the dictator who had ruled Egypt |
1:26.3 | for three brutal decades. |
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