Hey, everyone listening to the podcast. This is R. Melbert from MSNBC. And what if I told you we had

secret leaked Mueller memos and behind the scenes stories of the quote, psychodrama inside the Trump

White House? As the old question goes, is that something you'd be interested in? Well, Michael Wolf,

who you may have heard of, he had that huge book, Fire and Fury, that upset the Trump White House, basically got Steve Bannon, ousted from the White House and a whole lot of other stuff. He's got a brand new book. And right now, you're going to hear my extended interview with him. I pushed him on the Mueller stuff, the secret memos, and we talked about a lot of other things, including whether Donald Trump is, quote, unquote, deteriorating. After that, we have a bunch of other special stuff, including a conversation with a Democratic

congressman backing impeachment, a top Democrat in the Judiciary Committee's new plan to actually

get Mueller to testify that could happen within weeks, and a breakdown of what it means when

the Speaker of the House starts talking about the sitting president going to prison.

And is that even a good idea? We asked some tough questions about that. All of that in this special

podcast extra. Thanks for listening to The Beat with Ari Melbert.

Why didn't Bob Mueller sue Donald Trump to get that interview? Why wasn't Bob Mueller clear in his public conclusions?

My next guest says that his new reporting may reveal some of the answers, which are not in the written Mueller report itself.

Best-selling author Michael Wolf says he talked to a host of Trump world people, also obtained secret memos from inside Mueller's team, including research on what would happen if Trump tried to fire Mueller or pardon people or pardon himself.

All of it is in the new book, Siege, a sequel to his blockbuster fire and fury, which you may remember it sold over four million copies around the world, earned a threat of a lawsuit from Donald Trump, and was associated with the removal

of Steve Bannon from the White House, not your typical book. How you doing? I'm great. Thank you for having me. Your first time on the beat. You got a lot of stuff in here. And I'm delighted to be here. I'm happy to have you here. You're also a controversial author. We'll get to that.

But let's start with what you say you found.

Secret internal memos that no one else has ever gotten before, which explains... controversial author. We'll get to that. But let's start with what you say you found.

Secret internal memos that no one else has ever gotten before, which explored the potential

limits on the Mueller probe. Explain. All of these memos, if you read through these memos,

you come up with one conclusion, which is that the special counsel is a very, very fragile construct,

that they could be, it could disappear any moment. The memos are a series of questions. Can the

President of the United States unilaterally fire the special counsel? And let's read the answer because it was clearer than some of other things Mueller has said.

Here's the answer, according to your reporting.

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