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The James Altucher Show

[Bonus] Brian Keating on Humility, Chutzpah, and the Arrow of Time

The James Altucher Show

James Altucher

Society & Culture, Talk Radio, Writer, Philosophy, Comedy, Chess, How To, Entrepreneurship, Jay, James, The James Altucher Show, Altucher, Author, Jay Yow, Education, Jay The Engineer, Business, James Altucher

4.6 • 2.7K Ratings

🗓️ 12 September 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Episode Description

Right after wrapping up their main conversation, James and Brian hit record again for a bonus session. What came out is an unfiltered talk on humility, arrogance, and the strange mix of traits needed to achieve great things. From the wisdom of the Talmud to the Dunning–Kruger effect, they explore why even Nobel Prize winners wrestle with imposter syndrome.

James shares how writing books requires a mix of blind confidence and humility, while Brian connects scientific resilience to obsession, quests, and flow states. The two also talk candidly about the challenges of writing and publishing science books in today’s world—and Brian previews his bold new project exploring Jim Simons, “Chern–Simons Theory,” and the very arrow of time itself.


What You’ll Learn

  • Why success requires balancing humility with courage—and sometimes arrogance with ignorance
  • How Nobel Prize winners secretly struggle with imposter syndrome
  • Why writing books demands both blind confidence and ruthless editing
  • The difference between obsession and quest when pursuing success
  • What “Chern–Simons Theory” reveals about time, space, and the structure of the universe


Timestamped Chapters

  • [02:00] Humility, chutzpah, and the Talmud’s two pockets
  • [03:00] Writing, Dunning–Kruger, and the blindness needed for progress
  • [05:00] Imposter syndrome—even after winning the Nobel Prize
  • [06:00] Resilience, grad school, and the limits of Goggins-style toughness
  • [07:00] Obsession vs. quest: two paths to achievement
  • [08:00] Flow states, joy, and Nobel Prize winners at play
  • [09:00] The cost of careers that don’t allow flow
  • [10:00] The challenges of science publishing in the age of AI
  • [11:00] James on downloads, inspiration, and writing talks in his sleep
  • [12:00] The genius spirit, loneliness, and Hemingway’s advice
  • [13:00] Why science books lean on unprovable ideas
  • [14:00] String theory, quantum entanglement, and perennial sellers
  • [15:00] Jim Simons, Chern–Simons Theory, and the arrow of time


Additional Resources

  • Brian Keating – Official Website
  • Into the Impossible: Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner (Volume 2) – Amazon
  • Donna Strickland – Nobel Prize in Physics 2018 – Nobel Prize Biography
  • Cal Newport – Deep Work – Amazon
  • Ali Abdaal – Feel Good Productivity – Amazon
  • Ryan Holiday – Perennial Seller – Amazon
  • Chern–Simons Theory (Mathematical Physics Overview) – Wikipedia
  • Jim Simons Biography (The Man Who Solved the Market) – Amazon



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Today on the James Altiger show.

0:04.5

In order to become the best writer in the world, you have to spend many years as a horrible writer believing you're the best writer in the world.

0:11.5

Because to write a book, as you know, is really hard.

0:15.5

I usually tell them, only do it if you'll regret it for the rest of your life.

0:19.7

Because that's the, you know, regrets of the dying, so to speak.

0:22.6

I'm going to have a quest.

0:23.6

I'm going to figure out what happened at the beginning of time.

0:25.6

So now, okay, what are the steps?

0:26.6

I'm going to build this.

0:27.6

I'm going to, this quest fills me with joy, and progress on this quest fills me with joy,

0:31.6

and I'm going to make progress and feel joy every step of the way. There are so few books about non-nonsense nowadays,

0:39.7

like not about string theory or not about like multiple universes.

0:44.3

Most of the science books are about those things because they can't be proven.

0:48.0

So the author will never be proven wrong in his lifetime.

0:52.0

This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

0:57.1

This is the James Altasier Show.

1:09.1

So, James, there's a famous statement by Talmudic scholars that really echo what I think it takes to be a great scientist is to have both humility and be humble, but also a lot of chutzpah and courage.

1:21.6

Because if you're only, like, humble, you won't feel that you can accomplish and take on the greatest warrior of all time, which is Mother Nature. Like Mother Nature does not give up her secret. It's very hard to win a Nobel prize to discover something new, to prove a new law, theorem, or whatever. But on the other hand, you know, if you're only humble, you won't have that, you know, that kind of swagger, let's just say, swagger, not arrogance, because arrogance gets a bad name. So there's a famous passage in the Talmud, and it says, a man should have two pockets. On one pocket, he should have the statement from the Bible that the whole world was created for me, just for me. And the other pocket should say, I'm nothing but dust and ashes. Because if you don't have that, you will not be humble and you will be arrogant, and then you're prone to the fall that pride always goes before. So it's very interesting to know that you are also acqueting that. In some ways, you are the best writer in the world, right? I mean, let's not be falsely humble, but you're not only the, you're not the best writer in all categories in the world, right? You wouldn't say that. Right. So, but what's interesting there is, is that, you know, and then this kind of goes side by side or the Dunning Kruger effect. Like, think about writing. In order to become forever, I'm not even saying about me or anyway, in order to become the best writer in the world, you have to spend many years as a horrible writer believing you're the best

2:35.2

writer in the world. Because to write a book, as you know, is really hard. You have to sit down

2:40.9

and write like a thousand words a day for, let's say, hundreds of days. And then, of course,

2:47.1

that's before the 18 rewrites to have a finished copy and combined with the humility

2:52.0

to do the editing and the format and everything that's required to make to put together a book.

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