Bonus: Brazil feat. Ben Fogel (10/26/18)

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🗓️ 26 October 2018

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Amber talks to author and editor Ben Fogel about Brazil's current political crisis, its contemporary political history, and how the left should approach "anti-corruption". Against Anti-Corruption: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/10/corruption-bolsonaro-pt-populism-democracy-development Brazil's Never-Ending Crisis: https://catalyst-journal.com/vol2/no2/brazils-never-ending-crisis Aufhebunga Bunga Podcast: https://aufhebungabunga.podbean.com/e/49-kids-confessions-ft-amber-alee-frost/

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0:00.0	All right, hi guys. This is Amber. I am joined with special guest Ben Fogel. He is a contributing
0:07.6	editor to Jack Abin. Africa is a country. He is a new article out in Catalyst and he is on a
0:14.1	wonderful podcast called Alphbongabonga. Please do not judge it for its stupid German portmanteau name.
0:20.4	I made an appearance in willing to that along with all of his articles as well.
0:24.7	Yes, I'm normally based in Brazil but I'm in New York for a few weeks.
0:29.6	Yeah, I'm sorry about that. However, it's probably not good to be there right now.
0:34.0	Yeah, I mean, it might just be the most depressing place in the world but at least it isn't cold.
0:38.2	Yeah, well, there's that. So I guess to start, I think people who listen to us are aware that
0:46.3	something bad is happening in Brazil. So could you catch us up on, let's say, recent, maybe not so
0:52.4	recent Brazilian politics? Okay, well, I'll try to be as brief and precise as possible.
0:58.2	Yes, if you could consolidate your Catalyst article, Brazil's never ending crisis in three minutes.
1:05.1	Well, I mean, the first rule I think about Brazil is that things can always get worse.
1:11.9	And right now, this Sunday, Sunday the 28th, there is the second round of Brazil's
1:17.2	presidential election, which has been the most traumatic and messed up election since the country
1:23.2	returned to democracy in 1985. And this Sunday, as you may or may not know, there is a man called
1:30.0	Jair Bolsonaro, who will be elected, almost certainly short of some sort of unforeseen miracle
1:36.2	or a comet heading down from space as Brazil's next president. And Bolsonaro, I think, can fairly
1:44.0	be described as a fascist or neo-fascist. Unfortunately, as I think many American listeners and
1:50.8	listeners from Europe may know, the word fascism has been degraded by overuse. It's like the boy
1:56.1	who cried wolf. People have said the fascists are coming so many times that people kind of get
2:00.7	weary and cynical when the wolf actually pops his head up. In the case of Bolsonaro, I think it's
2:05.6	an accurate description. Among other things, he's a former army captain who has written a
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