Hi, it's Rachel. As you may have heard, I have a new podcast out called Rachel Nano Presents Ultra.

It's the story of a time not all that long ago when sitting members of Congress took part in a plot to overthrow the U.S. government

and prosecutors, reporters, activists and everyday Americans went into all sorts of overdrive to stop them.

Recently, I was lucky enough to sit down with my friend and colleague Chris Hayes to talk about the podcast and how we made it and the lessons that it may hold for us today.

Here's our conversation on why is this happening? The Chris Hayes podcast.

Hello, welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host Chris Hayes.

Here in the television medium for a very, very special, exciting episode.

Let's start with a sports metaphor, if you don't want to indulge me. In 1913, I'm not pulling this from memory. See if I was not television.

I could be like, in 1913, the American League Home Run Leader was a guy named Home Run Baker. They named him Home Run Baker because of how many home runs he hit and he hit 11.

And then in 1913, he had 12 and then in 1914, he had 9.

And then a guy named Babe Ruth comes along. Now, this is basically the standard for American League Home Run Leaders for like the entirety of the first 20 years of the 20th century.

You get 11, you get 10. This guy, Babe Ruth comes along, starts out as a pitcher, goes over to hitting.

Babe Ruth just completely annihilates the records. It's 29 in 1994 and 1929 and then famously 60 in 1927.

Point is, Babe Ruth was sort of just doing something different than every other baseball player was doing. There were lots of good baseball players.

They were good at hitting. They were going to getting doubles and triples and all this stuff. The game operated a certain way. It operated in a way where like people maybe hit 10 home runs a year.

And then there's just a person who comes along who's just better at it. Just better at hitting baseballs and completely revolutionizes like what it is to be a hitter in Major League Baseball.

And like you get figures like this sometimes, right? There's some sort of conventions to some game or genre, whether it's artistic medium or it's a sport, you know, Michael Jordan, Picasso, Steve Jobs, like people that just do this thing that other people are doing and some are doing extremely well, like an incredibly high level playing Major League Baseball.

And then someone comes along and they just like do it differently.

And then everyone starts doing it differently or there are some people try to do it differently, even if they're not quite as good. And my friend and colleague Rachel Maddo is one of those people.

I told her she was going to hate this, but it is true.

That's ridiculous.

I am someone who does this for living. I communicate for living. I tried to tell stories for living. And Rachel is just on another level as a communicator and a storyteller and incredibly innovative in that respect as well.

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