This is Tyler O'Neill, managing editor at the Daily Signal.

I have with me Rick Dearborn, former White House deputy chief of staff to President Donald

Trump, a visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation and contributing author to the project 2025,

the 2025 presidential transition project. Really wonderful to have you with us, Rick.

Tyler, it's great to be with you. Thank you so much for having me on.

So I wanted to zero in on, you know, project 2025 is all about preparing the next conservative

president, whoever he or she may be, to take on the administrative state to make it more

reliable for the American people and responsive to the will of the people, and you specifically

with your experience on the Trump transition and in the White House have a focus on the,

I believe it's the executive office of the president and the White House office.

Yes, so it's distinct, right? There's the White House office. It's part of the executive

office of the president, but it isn't exactly the same. So it is a subset, but it operates

a little bit different. And then the executive offices of the president, a large number of

those are also over in the new executive office building. I'm kind of an old guy, so I still

call it OEOB, which is the old executive office building. But yeah, that's the White House

office is part of the executive office of the presidency. And is that in the old British

embassy? No, the executive office of the president has always been part of the old executive

office building in terms of think where it's been housed. I don't know where it was housed.

Prior to that, it may have been housed somewhere prior to the building being built, but that

beautiful piece of architecture that sits right next to the entrance to the West Wing of the White

House, West Executive Drive is the street that separates the two. But that whole building

contains predominantly all of the staff that also help each of the senior advisors that are part

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