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So it's been a while since the first season of the dream aired.

And in the intervening time, we've received a ton of email, text, and DMs from people

in MLMs asking for help.

They're mostly really sad stories that people feeling stuck in the cycle of throwing good

money after bad and wondering how to get out.

That's why we're doing this episode and why it's so important.

Hopefully, it's actually helpful.

In our last episode, we started to explore just how similar MLMs are to cults.

A dear friend of the podcast and an attorney who's worked on a number of MLM cases, Doug

Brooks, talked to me about his legal run-ins with a man named Keith Reinery, the founder

of the MLM slash human trafficking cult called Nexium.

And towards the end of our conversation, he said something that caught my attention.

He told me that to try and fight organizations like Nexium and Court, we needed the help

of someone named Steve.

I'm thinking that really we need people like Steve to explain to us how it could be that

someone just sort of suspends their critical thinking and despite all the information that

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