Hello,

That's kind of conversation to your soul.

That's conversation to your soul.

Thank you.

Hello, American Presti's listeners. It's Derek, and I am joined once again by returning champion Brandon Wolf Honeycutt, Associate Professor of History at California State University Stanislaus, the author of The Paranoid Style and American Diplomacy, Oil, and Arab Nationalism in Iraq.

That is the story he's here to continue today, Brandon. Thanks for coming back. paranoid style and American diplomacy, oil, and Arab nationalism in Iraq.

That is the story he's here to continue today, Brandon.

Thanks for coming back.

All right.

Well, thanks for having me back.

It's a real pleasure looking forward.

So we left off with our good friend, Abdul Karim Qasem last time, and we were moving toward

the 1963 coup that would tragically see him

forced out of power. Why don't we recap a little bit? We know that Kossum came to power in a

coup that overthrew the Hashemite monarchy in the name, at least according to some of the people

who participated in it, of pan-Arab nationalism

of noserism perhaps or botism depending on your point of view but Qasem after riding that

wave into power it turns out was not pan- was not pan-Arab nationalist.

What was, what was Kossum's objection to pan-Arab nationalism?

Why did he kind of move in a different direction?

Yeah, okay.

So, as you sort of indicated in the intro there, there was a bit of an ideological,

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