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That's P-O-D-B-E-A-N- dot-com slash brands. So, Welcome to Grusam, your horrific, true crime podcast. I'm Connie, along with Katie Perry Look-A-like contest runner-up, Meg. This is episode.

That's funny. You got me. This is episode 14. Bobby Joe Stinnett, Lisa Montgomery, and the death penalty.

And I'm gonna let Meg tell you all about these.

Yes, so I talk to people about gruesome in general a lot.

And most of the time it's like

a certain part of an episode they liked.

They'll like suggest a case for us to check out.

That's something that kind of caught my attention recently is that people

have been suggesting that we are somehow brave for talking about the death penalty and

our opinions on it, but I feel like it always boils down to the fact that the death penalty for us,

Kony and I, me and you, it's a gray area because death can't be undone.

Yeah, and there's very gray with it. Yeah, there's so many cases that we don't know 100% for sure that this person did it or there are instances especially for me that I personally don't believe that the death penalty is warranted

when people are severely mentally ill or they have some kind of like psychotic break.

I think I do agree in that sense.

I think I'm more like pro death penalty in cases than you I would say like you give a little

bit more leniency.

Yeah, I definitely don't think if you're mentally ill,

like I struggle with this one because I think there's varying degrees

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