Welcome to the Eric Mataxas Show. Please keep your arms and legs inside the car at all times. This is your final warning. Now here's your host, Mr. Thrill Ride himself, Eric Mataxas.

Hey folks, I have such a joy on this program to get to speak to people who might have wanted to meet for a long time. About five years ago I read a book called God's Double Agent by Bob Foo. It's one of the most extraordinary stories. The blurb on the cover. It says in big letters impossible to put down. And I thought who said that? It says, oh, Eric Mataxas, New York Times beselling author of Bonhoeffer.

I said that. This is a story that you will not I don't even need to tell you stick around. You will stick around because there are very few stories like this. Mrs. Laura Bush has also given the blurb to the book, but I want everybody to know my blurbs on the cover.

Bob Foo, I cannot believe finally I'm meeting you. You have one of the most amazing stories. The subtitle of the book is the true story of a Chinese Christian's fight for freedom. I want my audience to get to know about you. First of all, welcome to the program. Thank you Eric. It's honor for me.

I just so thrilled. I want to hear your story. So we've got to start at the beginning. You were born in China. Yes. Okay. Let's talk about what led you to what happened in 1989. Yes. First of all, thank you very much Eric for having me. It's really honor.

It's my honor and my audience is honor. Your story is God is the author of your story. You've lived it. So I'm just I'm tickled the death that I get to have you in person. I'm also a fan of your book clove and don't you. If you can keep it.

I don't know if you can keep it. Now you're an American and you understand that when you're talking about freedom. So many people don't understand it. That's why I wrote that book. But forget about me. I want to talk about you. You're fascinating about faith, virtue and freedom.

Of course, I stole it all from us. Guinness stole it from the founders. So but you have taken these ideas of freedom into China. You are a fighter for freedom. You live this. How did you get to be that way? I don't imagine that you were raised as somebody who was anti communist.

I was actually raised and educated as a communist. Of course, you know, as all the Chinese young men and women had been going through the communist education. We're also always taught as a atheist, Marxist. And when God was mentioned, it was just mentioned as a tool for the foreign kind of impure list for cultural invasion.

And the Christianity is the opium of the people. That was pretty much my concept of a religion or Christianity going through my education. And so I was of course kind of born in a very poor family. My mother was a beggar.

You know, I'm doing the 1958 to 1960, the three years so called a great starvation when Chairman Moor launched this human engineered disaster of so called a great leap forward moment. More than 20 million Chinese died.

20 million Chinese died.

People because my parents have experienced communism in Europe, many people in America don't understand the genuine evil that is in this world. If you've experienced communism, you're saying your mother was a beggar because the communist state engineered these horrible famines and starvation Stalin did the same thing. This is evil.

It is pure evil and pure. So my mother survived during this starvation time and with her to elder children, my elder brother and elder sister was begging, were begging food with her during that three years until she met with my father and they got married and I was born.

So it was really you know, raising and leaving through this humility and experiencing the tremendous injustice and inequality keep me, you know, having a hard for change at least.

So initially I thought, you know, I can use my own effort to change others, change my own situation by maybe become a millionaire. That was my first childhood dream.

So you still thought in communist China that it was possible to become a millionaire?

Well, at least I want to be rich to be more accurate. I felt maybe money was the problem. But then later on I found actually in communist China, even if you are rich or millionaire, your life and safety would not be guaranteed.

So you have no freedom. No freedom. So that's the problem. So in 1989, when I was a sophomore student at university, when millions of Chinese fellow students took to the street, in Beijing, Tam and Square, I felt that might be the best opportunity to make a meaningful change for more freedom, more democracy and less corruption.

So I became one of the students leaders in my school and then I went to Tam and Square and delayed my students and occupied part of the Tam and Square.

So this year is the 30th anniversary. It's an amazing thing and what's going on in Hong Kong is exciting. I just had someone on the program who's part of the Weijieer minority thing that's been tremendously persecuted.

It's a panic persecution. I want my audience to know there's evil in this world today. So you were one of these figures because in America, of course, we followed this closely the 1989 Teneman Square protests and then the bloody brutal massacre.

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