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Imaginary Worlds

Blueprints for Utopias

Imaginary Worlds

Eric Molinsky

Arts, Science Fiction, Fiction, Society & Culture

4.82.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

The golden age of sci-fi was filled with utopian visions the future. These days, when sci-fi creators project ahead several decades, the world is looking a lot more dystopian. But there is a group of artists who believe that a better tomorrow is possible if we can imagine it first. Architects are finding that science fiction can be a great way to understand how their buildings will adapt to a rapidly changing world. I talk with architect and Texas Tech professor Jes Deaver about why she thinks sci-fi can inspire her students to not only think outside the literal box, but to have more empathy. Liam Young explains why he created a program at SCI-Arc to train architects who want to work in fictional or virtual worlds. And author Thomas R. Weaver discusses how he enrolled a city planner to build a pitch deck for a colony spaceship, and why floating cities may not be the best solution to climate change. This episode is sponsored by The Perfect Jean, Audible and Hims. Go to theperfectjean.nyc and get 15% off your first order when you use the code IMAGINARY15 at checkout. Go to audible.com/sunrise and listen to the audiobook of Listen to Sunrise on the Reaping. Start your free online visit today at Hims.com/IMAGINARY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to Imaginary Worlds, a show about how we create them and why we suspend our disbelief.

0:06.0

I'm Eric Milinski.

0:07.0

I was brainstorming ideas recently for episodes, and I thought about all the science fiction tropes I could explore.

0:14.0

VR, AI, space travel, colonizing Mars, robots, uploading our brains to computers, mechanizing our bodies.

0:25.1

And I realized all of this technology is no longer just science fiction. It's on the market,

0:30.7

or it's in development. We are living in the future that sci-fi writers dreamed about

0:35.9

40 or 50 years ago, But I don't feel like

0:39.9

celebrating. I don't trust the people developing the technology. And I find it creepy when they say

0:46.2

everything will be wonderful. Nothing will go wrong. Don't question them. They're geniuses.

0:52.2

Then I thought about the state of science fiction, and I noticed two very

0:56.2

broad categories, positive and negative futures. The positive stories usually take place

1:02.6

very far in the future, centuries from now. People zip across the galaxy and meet aliens

1:09.0

or robots. Our current problems are ancient history.

1:14.3

The darker futures usually take place in the coming decades, anywhere from 30 to 70 years from now.

1:21.8

And by the time we get to the end of the 21st century, things look pretty frightening. It's every type of dystopia you can imagine. Just pick your poison.

1:32.3

I can't read or watch these types of stories because when I look at the news every day, I feel like I'm already following a dystopian storyline.

1:40.3

I can't wallow in future timelines where things get even worse within the lifespan of people today.

1:47.6

And just as I was having this existential crisis, a listener named Jess Deaver contacted me.

1:53.7

She was doing a talk at South by Southwest called Brave New City, Designed through the lens of science fiction.

2:00.2

And she told me there is a community of

2:01.9

artists we're thinking about the future in that time span. They don't see dystopias. They see

2:08.1

better tomorrows and bright possibilities. Who are these people? Architects.

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