We want to build the L2 that provides the most value to developers and users. The most value of any L2, that's our goal. And we see the path to getting there is,

you know, you have this L2 with native yield where everyone's just earning that by default, but also now you're enabling new types of applications.

Robin Hood, for example, right? Like them charging zero fees, that's actually providing more value to the market than if they charge no fees.

So it's like these business model unlocks, it's not just like, oh So it's like these business model unlocks.

It's not just like, oh, it's a new business model.

It's like, no, this is actually providing more value to the market.

This is why these like disruptive business models get adopted in the first place.

So the only thing driving us is that we want to build the

L2 that provides the most value to end users and developers.

Welcome to Bankless, where we explore the frontier of Internet money and Internet

finance. This is Ryan Sean Abbots. I'm here with David Hoffman and we're here

to help you become more bankless.

Pac-Man is one of the most interesting builders in crypto right now.

He created Blur, which is an NFT exchange that came out of basically nowhere in 2022,

and now has over 70% of the NFT market and it almost seems like he's about to do the same thing with layer 2s.

He's got a project called Blast which has blasted its way to number three in terms of total locked value of all layer two's.

We get into the conversation with Pac-Man today.

You do not want to miss this fascinating conversation with this crypto builder.

Number one, we talk about who is Pac-Man?

This crypto wonder kid.

Where did he come from?

What's he about?

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