It's Tuesday, February 1st, and welcome back to Goodfellows, a Hoover Institution broadcast examining

social, economic, political, and geopolitical concerns.

I'm Bill Whalen.

I'm a Hoover Distinguished Policy Fellow.

I'll be moderating today's show.

And I get to introduce the Stars Around Show. That would be the three of my colleagues who refer to as the Goodfellows. That includes the historian Neil Ferguson, the economist John

Cochran, and the geostrategist slash Goodfellow, most likely to address up his Cupid on Valentine's

Day, Lieutenant General, H.R. McMaster, they are Hoover Institution's senior fellows all.

And joining us today to talk about her new book, Amy Ziegart. Amy is the Hoover Institution's

Morris Arnold and noted Jean Cox Senior Fellow, a professor of political science by courtesy at Stanford

University. She's also senior fellow at Stanford's Freeman Spogley Institute for International

Studies, Chair of Stanford's Artificial Intelligence and International Security Steering Committee, and a contributing writer at the Atlantic,

and if I can catch my breath for a minute. If you're not already impressed, she is also

an author. She has a new book out. It's called Spies, Lives, and Algorithms, the History of Future

of American Intelligence. Amy, welcome to Goodfellows. Well, it's great to be among the good fellows. Thanks for having

me. It's our pleasure. So we spent a lot of time in this show, Amy, talking about China and Taiwan.

We spent a lot of time recently talking about Ukraine and Russia. As we look at those two theaters,

Amy, given that you've been writing about intelligence gathering, are you impressed by our

intelligence in these two matters?

Or as we try to figure out what Vladimir Putin is doing and Jin Jinping is doing, are we seeing

any holes in our intelligence? Well, I think HR is in a better position to answer that question

than I am. But I can say from, and I want to hear what he has to say, from the outside looking

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