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Bits + Bips: Why Investors Are Looking at the Jobs Data All Wrong - Ep. 882

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube  🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain🐦 X / Twitter  Last week’s macroeconomic data came with a twist: a massive job downward revision from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But is it a recession signal, or just statistical noise? In this episode of Bits + Bips, Ben Werkman, chief investment officer at Swan Bitcoin, joins hosts Ram Ahluwalia, Noelle Acheson, and Steve Ehrlich to examine why markets shrugged off the data, and what it means for crypto. The panel also discusses: Whether markets are mispricing macro risk How Strategy’s latest capital raise may reflect rising treasury company risk The future of tokenized equity and how Coinbase could unlock private market value New regulatory signals suggesting the U.S. may allow banks to hold crypto The rise of “super apps” blending payments, trading, and custody Thank you to our sponsor! Mantle Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter  Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Ben Werkman, Chief Investment Officer at Swan Bitcoin Links: Macro BLS Drama CNN: Trump says the Bureau of Labor Statistics orchestrated a ‘scam.’ Here’s how the jobs report really works NYT: Big Downward Jobs Revisions Could Be a Warning Sign for the Economy CNBC:  'The revisions are hard evidence': White House struggles to justify firing of BLS chief over weak jobs numbers Trump fires commissioner of labor statistics after weaker-than-expected jobs figures slam markets  PCE Reuters: US inflation warms up in June as tariffs boost some goods prices Tariffs  NYT: Trump’s Tariffs Are Making Money. That May Make Them Hard to Quit. FT: Donald Trump to raise tariffs on India over Russian oil purchases CNBC: EU will delay planned U.S. tariffs for six months to allow for trade talks Crypto earnings season Coverage of $COIN and $MSRT on Bits + Bips:  Strategy Had a Massive Quarter: Impressive Numbers, But Are They Sustainable? Coinbase Missed Earnings, But the Bull Case Is Still Intact, Analyst Says Unchained articles: Coinbase Veered From Its Neutral Stance With Base. Could That Bet Go Wrong? How Michael Saylor Plans to Ensure Strategy Keeps Its Bitcoin Forever Coinbase Expands Into Tokenized Stocks and Prediction Markets How Robinhood's New Crypto Strategy Could Help Its TradFi Ambitions Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📉 4:25 Why Noelle thinks we’re looking at the job numbers all wrong 🍔 16:23 Whether the BLS revision is actually a nothing burger 🧊 19:33 How investors are managing to shrug off all the macro noise 🏢 32:37 What surprised Ben about corporate bitcoin adoption and how earnings are shifting the narrative 💰 37:57 Why Strategy is raising capital at sky-high premiums 📊 44:40 How Robinhood and Coinbase stack up by the numbers 📜 51:11 What new signals reveal about the U.S. rewriting financial rules 📱 57:43 How “super apps” are changing the game for crypto and TradFi 📈 1:05:18 Where the panel sees markets heading next 🏛️ 1:13:17 What it might take for governments to start holding crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

But I think broadly, you know, both Bitcoin and other digital assets, they're here to stay.

0:06.0

They're getting ingrained in our financial system, and I don't think that there's any unwinding that.

0:10.5

And as you start getting more clarity from the regulatory environment, so like the Clarity Act, right,

0:17.4

figuring out who's the commodities are going to be, or the CFDC is going to be overseeing versus the SEC is going to be overseeing.

0:24.4

That type of clarity in this environment is going to be huge for adoption.

0:29.5

Hi, everyone.

0:30.4

Welcome to Bits in Bits, the show where crypto and macro collide one basis point at a time.

0:35.9

I'm your host, Steve Ehrlich.

0:38.6

I scribe of the Unchain Kingdom. I'm here with Noel Atchison, High Seer and Keeper of the Crypto is Macro Now

0:44.6

newsletter. Hi, everyone. We will be joined by our other, one of our other major, being co-host,

0:49.6

Braum Aloalia, Mastroof at Lumida, but he's going to be joining a bit.

0:54.6

And our special guest today is Ben Workman, breaker of banks.

0:58.7

Welcome, Ben.

0:59.3

Thank you for having me.

1:00.5

So, Ben, before we dive in, why don't you just give us a quick minute overview?

1:06.5

Give us your background.

1:07.7

Yeah, absolutely.

1:08.6

So currently I'm the chief investment officer at Swan Bitcoin, but I do several things out

1:14.0

here in the digital asset space.

1:15.9

And one of the main ones has been I've largely worked as a public equities analyst for

1:20.4

Bitcoin treasury companies.

1:21.6

So I'm a part of a group that was started about a year ago called MSDR True North

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