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Bits + Bips: Why a Trump vs. Fed Showdown Would Crush the U.S. Dollar - Ep. 822

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

An independent Federal Reserve has long been the cornerstone of U.S. economic stability, but what happens when that foundation is shaken? In this week’s episode of Bits + Bips, the panel digs into one of the most dramatic threats yet to financial markets: Donald Trump’s suggestion that he could fire Fed Chair Jerome Powell. It’s not just political theater, it’s a potential major blow to the credibility of the U.S. dollar and the independence of the world’s most important central bank. Joining the panel is Zach Pandl, Head of Research at Grayscale, who explores why a rotation away from U.S. dollar assets might already be happening and what that means for bitcoin. Plus: Why the Fed’s independence is so crucial The telltale signs of a structural capital rotation out of the U.S. Whether bitcoin has officially decoupled from equities How young crypto HODLers will react to their first bear market And why this moment may look more like Argentina than America Show highlights: Sponsors: Bitwise Hosts: Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Zach Pandl, Head of Research at Grayscale Links Trump Threatening Powell New York Times: Risk of Financial Panic Tempers Trump on Firing Powell Barrons: Trump Calls Powell a ‘Major Loser.’ 3 Ways He Could Sideline the Fed Chair Inconsistencies in Hard v. Soft Data Wall Street Journal: Trump Is Everywhere Except in the Economic Data Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia: Carefully Balancing Both Hard and Soft Data in Policy Discussions Dropping Dollar CNBC: U.S. Dollar Falls to Three-Year Low as Trump’s Powell Threats Further Dent Investor Confidence New York Times: The Dollar Keeps Falling as Its ‘Safe Haven’ Status Is Questioned Bitcoin Decoupling CNBC: Bitcoin Retakes $90,000 as Investors See It as Alternative to Diving Dollar and Turbulent Stocks Decrypt: Bitcoin Decoupling? BTC Rises as Equity Markets Swoon Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 👀 3:44 Could Trump really fire Powell? And what would that mean for the Fed’s credibility 👷13:01 Why the Fed is seeing conflicting signals from the economy 📈📉 20:07 If Trump keeps Powell for now, how will the market react? 🚪 24:49 Why capital is rotating out of the U.S. and how it is such a big moment for bitcoin.  🤕 31:37 How much further the dollar could fall in this cycle? 🔗 42:43 Has bitcoin finally decoupled, and could it become a global reserve currency? 🧑‍💻 50:11 How the young age of crypto holders could reshape market dynamics 🧠 1:04:26 What specific things Ram, Alex, and Zach are watching now across macro and crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey all, just a heads up that this episode was live streamed Monday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern.

0:05.9

Bits and Bips will be live streamed every week going forward now on Mondays at that time, after the markets close.

0:12.0

Be sure to join us on X or YouTube.

0:14.4

We're probably not going to see a big pivot from the White House on tariffs in the next week.

0:18.4

So for me, the song remains the same. You're supposed to be

0:21.8

avoiding assets that are at the center of the storm, which are really large-cap U.S. equities,

0:27.6

and favoring assets that benefit from this sort of stagflationary environment. And for me, that is scarce

0:34.9

commodities, gold, copper, and most importantly, Bitcoin.

0:39.3

I mean, for me, this is really Bitcoin's moment.

0:41.3

And it's exactly the type of reason why, you know, macro people get involved in the Bitcoin trade.

0:50.3

Because we are seeing a structural shift from the dollar.

0:53.3

And I think it will have big

0:55.0

medium term positives for Bickland.

0:58.2

Hi everyone, welcome to Bits and Bips, exploring how crypto and macro collide one basis

1:03.3

point at a time.

1:04.6

I'm your host today, Stephen Erlich, High Scribe of the Unchained Kingdom, and I'm here with

1:09.5

Alex Kruger, Krueger Macro of House Asgard, Protector of the Realm,ained Kingdom and I'm here with Alex Kruger Kruger Kroger Makro of

1:11.4

House Asgard, Protector of the Realm, Ram Alawalia, Maester of Wealth, Leader of Lumida,

1:17.1

and our special guest, Zach Handel, Truth Seeker of the Asset Realms at Grayscale Investments.

1:24.1

Welcome everybody and Zach, why don't you just take a minute to introduce yourself.

1:29.2

Thanks, Stephen.

1:30.2

Great to be on the show.

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