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Whole Foods Market and now you know. Welcome to the big interview bite size. I'm Graham Hunter and in each episode

you'll hear an elite footballer tell a story that's guaranteed to brighten your day.

All of them come from my podcast, The Big Interview with Graham Hunter,

which you can find by searching on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

We hear from former Realmanid President Ramon Calderon,

who details the shambolic lead up to the managerial appointment,

but says how promoting Zinniene Zadan from the position of reserve

team coach to the biggest role in club football management was a risk that paid off. I am a lawyer so I know how to defend a case in the court.

I am a lawyer so I know how to defend a case in the court but I don't know how to build a team.

The current president, I've told him many times,

he's an engineer.

He knows quite well how to build bridges or tunnels or roads but not to build teams and mainly a team like

Real estate and that's why we've been these seasons by the way all the credit and the merit to the pledges, awesome what they've done.

They've been suffering such a mess from the directors and the president that is difficult to understand how they managed to be until the end,

the last match, about to win the title and also to win the Champions League.

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