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Bitcoin Miners Are Pivoting to AI. How Does It Impact Crypto? Bits + Bips - Ep. 943

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 November 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Subscribe to the Bits + Bips newsletter: https://unchainedcrypto.com/newsletters/ Check out our sponsor Mantle!  As profitability tightens and competition soars, many Bitcoin mining companies are turning to artificial intelligence and high-performance computing (HPC) to stay relevant. In this week’s Bits + Bips, host Steve Ehrlich sits down with John Todaro, Managing Director, Crypto & HPC/AI Equity Research at Needham & Company, and Kevin Dede, Senior Research Analyst at H.C. Wainwright, to unpack the pivot that’s reshaping an entire corner of the crypto industry. They discuss how miners are courting AI clients, why Wall Street is suddenly valuing them like data infrastructure plays, and what this means for Bitcoin’s long-term security model. The conversation dives deep into hashprice trends, investor signals, power constraints, and whether these companies can truly deliver on the AI promise — or risk stretching too thin. Guests: Kevin Dede, Senior Research AnalystManaging Director of Equity Research at H.C. Wainwright John Todaro, Managing Director, Crypto & HPC/AI Equity Research at Needham & CompanySenior Research Analyst at Needham & Company Timestamps: 💡 0:00 Introduction 🏗️ 3:23 Why investors suddenly care about miners’ HPC capacity 📈 9:08 Why the Bitcoin Mining Index is outperforming BTC itself 🤖 12:49 Can AI demand really live up to the hype? ⚠️ 16:31 The red flags investors should be watching 💰 20:50 Why debt levels could make or break mining firms 🔄 23:14 Can miners truly pivot and deliver on the AI promise? 📊 29:42 Why hashprice is falling even as hashrate rises 🚀 34:02 The long-term potential for Bitcoin mining operations 🏦 42:07 Bitcoin miners vs. holding BTC on balance sheets 🇺🇸 51:10 The future of Bitcoin mining in the United States 🔁 57:08 Could miners pivot to securing other assets? 🧠 59:22 Should the U.S. government buy a stake in Bitcoin miners? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I think there's probably always going to be a place for Bitcoin mining.

0:03.0

I don't think we have a clue about what artificial intelligence can bring to us.

0:08.0

If you look out the next 30 years, life's going to be not incrementally different, but diametrically different.

0:18.0

Hey, everyone. I am Steve Ehrlich, the executive editor here and also the principal writer behind our Bits and Tips newsletter.

0:25.6

And really excited to talk with all of you today about the intersection of Bitcoin mining and artificial intelligence, high performance computing.

0:35.5

Quick pause. If you're deep in crypto, but TradFi and Macro is a different language, or you're in

0:41.0

TradFi and Crypto feels like chaos, we get it.

0:44.2

That's why we created Bits and Bips, a podcast that bridges those two worlds.

0:49.1

No jargon, no gaykeeping.

0:51.1

Just smart, clear breakdowns of how these systems actually connect. So you

0:56.1

stop feeling lost when one side starts speaking their language. If this sounds like something

1:00.8

you need, check out bits and bips. You'll find the link right in the description. Just scroll

1:05.8

down. Mantle is pioneering blockchain for banking, a revolutionary new category at the intersection of Tradfi and Web3.

1:14.6

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1:17.6

I have two fantastic guests.

1:19.6

Anyone that has been following the space for any period of time will be familiar with their names.

1:24.6

John Todaro, a managing director, Anita McCoh. So, John, welcome.

1:29.3

Thank you. Thanks for having me. And then we also have Kevin Dedy. He is the senior research

1:35.7

analyst at H.C. Wainwright. And Kevin, actually, I think you are the first person, first equities

1:41.9

analysts to ever cover Bitcoin miners. I think I remember you reached out to me once when I credited someone else with that distinction.

1:48.2

And you very politely reminded me that we had been doing it for at least a year or two.

1:53.5

Yeah, I was pretty much ahead of everybody by years.

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