What's up everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Many of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp podcast, which is my effort to find the most interesting people in the world and sit with them for hours while I ask questions in an effort to learn. So it would mean the world to me if you would subscribe to the show on your favorite audio platform, watch episodes on YouTube,

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of his personal opinion this podcast is for informational purposes only Bitcoin has a market cap where history will tell you,

when you get to this level, you're real. Like, you don't have to doubt it anymore. Could we go to 80,000?

I guess we could if the stock market falls off. But I don't think the S&P is going to fall up. I think

we're at the end of a liquidation of growth stocks and that next year growth will not be a good factor. The narrative is bad right now because the price is bad. If the price is back up, the narrative will be very good. What's going on, guys? Today we've got a great conversation with Jordy Visser. In this conversation, we're going to talk about the recent sell-off and asset prices, why no catalyst may actually have you thinking differently about your portfolio, how you can also see maybe where capital is going to rotate next. Jordy shares a bunch of really unique ideas of where he thinks returns are going to come from over the next 12, 14, 16 months. And then lastly, of course, we've got to talk about Bitcoin. What's going on with the price? Why is it not performing? Should you be worried?

And whether we are actually entering it to a bear market or not? All that much more this week with Jordy Visser. All right, Jordy, I thought this week we could start off. People are very worried about asset prices selling off. We've seen tech stock sell off. We've seen Bitcoin sell off. And maybe a big difference between April and today. in April, everyone knew what the catalyst was.

President of the United States comes knew what the catalyst was.

President of the United States comes out with a science fair poster and he says, hey, here's all the tariffs we're going to do. People freak out, empty shelves, Great Depression is coming,

world's ending, you know, sell everything. Got it. I don't know if there's really a catalyst

that you can point to as to what's driving the sell-off in the same way.

All right.

So this will be my chance to kind of spend at least the beginning part of this talking about things that I've known and learned over the years about trading and about markets.

And I think for people, I know there's a lot of people who trade, and they don't

think about the macro environment. So normally, like you said, when Liberation Day is happening,

it's easy for people to kind of think about, well, this is happening because of this. I don't believe

this is rational. Let me go. That's not what's happening right now. So you mentioned a lot of things

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