Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show.

Today's show is brought you by the brothers Karamazov.

Not the book, the actual brothers themselves.

They love Eric and wanted to support him, so they decided to sponsor the show.

Is that not amazing? And Dostoyevsky doesn't know a thing about it. And he invented them. Now your host, Eric Matakas. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the Metaxus show. Have we got a show for you? This is right up my alley, and I arrogantly assume it's also up your alley. we're going to be talking in this hour with a friend, Billy Hallowell,

who has written a book called Playing with Fire,

a Modern Investigation into Demons, Exorcism, and Ghosts.

I find this stuff very important.

Billy Hallowell has been on this program number of times.

He's currently the director of communications and content for PureFlix.com.

Billy Hallowell, welcome to the program.

Hey, thanks for having me.

And congratulations on the book.

Look, you've done so much and you've written other books, but what led you to a subject like this,

playing with fire, modern investigation

into demons, exorcism, and ghosts?

What led you to write a book about this?

You know, it's one of the topics that I've always found fascinating

and it's kind of haunted me, right?

So throughout my career in journalism, when I was at The Blaze,

when I was at Faithwire, there would be these stories that would creep up. And sometimes it would be a Hollywood movie, like the conjuring would be coming out. We'd be kind of telling the real story, right, what the family claimed happened. And there was a story, though, a few years ago that really struck me. And it struck me because the evidence for it. Now I'm a Christian and I believe in these things.

We know they're true.

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