4.8 • 868 Ratings
🗓️ 5 May 2025
⏱️ 106 minutes
🔗️ Recording | iTunes | RSS
🧾️ Download transcript
Rachel Cohen, a former Skadden associate, joins Ben and Nate to discuss how Big Law is responding to recent executive orders aimed at major firms. They examine how the orders challenge the legal system, why firms are staying quiet, and the resistance staged by associates across the industry.Â
Later, Ben and Nate highlight Crushing 1L, the Demon’s new program for first-year law students. They also host another round of the Personal Statement Gong Show. And What’s the Deal With St. Thomas University?Â
0:29 – Big Law Showdown with Rachel Cohen - Rachel Cohen, a Harvard Law graduate and former Skadden associate, made headlines after resigning to protest Big Law’s weak response to Trump-era executive orders. She criticized top firms for caving to political pressure in an open letter and interview. Above the Law’s “Big Law Spine Index” shows that of the top fifty firms, the largest firms, only five have taken a stand to resist the executive orders from the Trump administration. One reason, she noted, is that many firms keep minimal cash reserves, leaving them financially exposed to government backlash.
39:53 – Crushing 1L: Get Ahead Before Day One - LSAT Demon’s Crushing 1L program is now available to all paying subscribers. It introduces essential first-year concepts and vocabulary to prepare students to hit the ground running. Given the potential impact that first-semester grades have on career outcomes, it is more important than ever for students to start law school on the right foot.Â
47:43 – Tips from a Departing Demon: Don’t Go - Scoring high on the LSAT doesn’t mean law school is the right path. A departing student explains why law school wasn’t the right choice for her. The Demon team isn’t here to sell you on law school. They want you to succeed, whether that’s in law or elsewhere.Â
52:36 – Personal Statement Gong Show - Greta is the next contestant in the Personal Statement Gong Show. This is the segment where Ben and Nate will read your personal statement, but as soon as they spot a problem, they hit the gong and stop reading. The current record is five lines, held by Jeremiah.Â
1:14:52 – What’s the Deal With… St. Thomas University? - This unranked law school offers a “summer conditional program” that promises admission if you finish in the top 15%, but you’ll be paying full price for that gamble. Employment outcomes are dismal—around 30% of graduates are underemployed—and most scholarships are conditional and frequently reduced. With a median salary of $50,000 and potential debt over $300,000, the hosts’ verdict is clear: don’t go to St. Thomas University’s law school.
1:18:54 - Word of the Week - Rigmarole - “Kashmir: From Legal Rigmarole to a Solution.”
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
0:00.0 | They had a financial resources issue, and yet this school has 700 students and they charge almost full price for most of them. |
0:09.2 | How are they doing with that money? |
0:18.4 | Hello and welcome to episode 505 of the Thinking Elsa podcast. I'm Ben Olson. With me is Nathan Fox. We're the co-founders of Elsaid Demon.com and the ElsaDemon Daily podcast. Today we have special guest Rachel Cohen. Rachel graduated from Harvard Law School in 2022 and then went on to become an associate |
0:40.5 | in finance at Scaden ARPS. |
0:43.7 | That is a big law firm if you have not heard of it. |
0:47.3 | A wildly successful one, I believe. |
0:50.0 | At least I've heard of it a lot, so I'm assuming it's done quite well. |
0:59.1 | But Rachel resigned what last this month, right? |
1:00.8 | Was it this month or was it last month? |
1:02.3 | It was March 20th. So we're just about at six weeks, five weeks. |
1:06.1 | But my last day was the beginning of April. |
1:10.1 | Okay. |
1:10.5 | So that's not a typical path for people to go to |
1:13.2 | Harvard law, then get into big law, a dream job for a lot of people, and then resign. But you resigned |
1:19.6 | in protest because of your firm's response to Trump's executive order requiring the firm to |
1:25.7 | do certain things, which I think we'll get into. |
1:29.1 | Is that a fair description? |
1:31.0 | It's a little bit, and not to be a deep lawyer here, but just to clarify the specifics of that, |
1:37.6 | I think it's important that my firm Scadden, when I resigned on March 20th, had no executive |
1:43.7 | order or kind of orders from the Trump |
1:45.9 | administration entered against it or delivered to it. So I think that that's important to understand |
1:51.4 | and that they also hadn't actually responded at all. So it was more of an industry-wide protest. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Nathan Fox and Ben Olson, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Nathan Fox and Ben Olson and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.