Oh my gosh, hi. I am Dave Holmes. Welcome to Troubled Waters, the show that treats popular

culture as the most important kind of culture because, well, it is sometimes the one that

bums us out the least. But that even can't be relied upon anymore. Now, back in the before times

of early 2020, Troubled Waters would pit two teams of comedians against one another in a pop culture

battle royale. But now, still, teaming up with another person who is not in your immediate pod

is possibly lethal. Still more frowned upon than trying to make wife guy into your whole brand.

Oh, I was hoping we were going to bring this up.

Yes, I was on.

We'll get there.

We'll get there.

Don't you worry.

So for now, it is one comic against another.

And to win this battle, each will be called upon to use their smarts, their rhetorical

skills, the great comeback that they think of just one second after it would be good to use it to earn the coveted Troubled Waters title

Pundit Emeritus, which will automatically give their opinion on Hugh Jackman's return to the role

of Wolverine more weight than a civilians. My opinion on that is let the man eat a sandwich,

for God's sake. He's lived. He's done plenty of living. Anyway, you're listening to Troubled Waters. And let us now meet our players.

Our first is a writer and the co-host of the new Max Fun podcast, Comfort Creatures.

It's Ella McLeod.

Ella, how are you?

Hi, I'm really well, thank you.

How are you?

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