You ran a college. Can we even fix higher ed? The schools I think we can do. Can we save higher education colleges?

No, you got to overthrow it. And so control all delete is how you fix American hire you. So you got to start over.

And we've got some ideas on the policy side and we have more time another day to fix it. But people need to understand, you know, with pick, pick your spouse, your friend, put three hands together.

There's no more than 15 colleges. You need to be entertaining sending your kids to. It's that bad.

We quote have to overthrow them control all to delete with regards to higher education. That is the new president of the Heritage Foundation.

His first week in office, he came on the show former president of the Catholic College in Wyoming. That's his opinion. Is that how we save a Western civilization start with higher education?

I know our very special guest for America first. What have views on that issue? I'm Sebastian Gorka and he is professor Victor Davis Hansen senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Welcome to America first.

Thank you.

Professor, we've been going back and forth, emailing each other over the last few days.

My son has graduated from Stanford. We went through the proceedings, the commencement. I played clips of the prayer from the Dean of Religion that opened the ceremony.

I played the blessings from the in house rabbi as well. My commentary was it's strange to have a blessing and a prayer that doesn't mention God and talks about Judaism as a tradition, not a religion.

What I didn't share with my listeners and I've saved for our conversation given your your storied background as the preeminent classicist in America today.

My son majored in classics. I listened to the head of the department give his graduation speech and the second sentence was a maya culpa for slavery and the lack of female voting rights in Western civilization.

I put that as the scene setting, the stage setting. Is there a history of a civilization, a culture, fairing well or even surviving professor when it's elite hate its own history?

Well, when that starts to happen, then you have to have some kind of reenlightenment or Renaissance. So if you look at the Neronian period and the literature of that period, Patronius, Patronius, you get this sense that Alpholoncin leisure had created a lot of self hatred.

But then you had the five good emperors come in, you had a hundred years of correction and France was intellectually bankrupt between the wars and its army reflected that collapsing in six weeks. But then it had sort of a recuperation after World War II.

In fact, it's troops did very well under American auspices and other wars. So we have to have that enlightenment and that rebooting. And if we don't know, you can't survive.

And I graduated from that department in 1980 and I can tell you that half of my faculty were from Austria, Germany, France, and Britain. And it was the most intellectually rigorous, philosophically rigorous, apolitical department in the country.

And you could even argue that it was very, very narrowly, philological, but the point is I got a wonderful training. And I noticed somewhere around after 1995, I was not able to the pool of applicants for jobs at class as classes was not reassuring linguistically or philologically.

In other words, the stuff of teaching Latin and Greek and literature in Greek and Latin, which is important as well as the translation. They were not being trained as they should in graduate programs because of that at that time called theory.

And that was Foucaultian postmodernism post structuralism, but it was the precursor of the woke movement. And now you, as you know, some classics departments have dropped the Greek requirements, such as the Princeton undergraduate degree.

Now that requirement of a renaissance or of a rebirth of a culture. Historically, who have been the catalysts for that? Could it be a ground swell? We see this push back against CRT amongst parents across America.

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