Well, welcome back to the podcast for Cultural Reformation, brought to you by the Ezra Institute.

I'm Dr. Joe Boot, and I'm the founder and president of Ezra.

And we are still here at ReformCon.

We are in Tucson, Arizona.

And we've been having just a fabulous few days together.

And so we're in this series of Reformcon dialogues at the moment.

And we're getting into another one of those dialogues on this episode today.

So stay tuned.

Yeah. tuned. So, our So on the show today, we are going to be interviewing, talking with, having a dialogue with, I should say, one of our most prolific Ezra fellows and scholars who has contributed at every level to the Institute, written articles,

contributed chapters for books, a regular guest on our podcast and regularly featured speaker at our programs, our teaching programs.

And that is, of course, Dr. Andrew Sandlin.

Andrew, welcome.

Thank you for being on the show

and thank you for being part of the conference this week.

Well, it's a privilege.

It's been, I'm thinking well over 10 years,

we've known one another and show my affection and appreciation for you.

And of course, for Ezra, I've only grown.

And I considered a privilege to be a part of it.

Well, we've had an amazing time these few days, and the lecture that you gave today is what I really

want to talk about, the theme that you addressed today in your lecture.

And it's one that's become a subject that's become in the last three to five years,

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