You know and then there came kind of a separation between the the wreckage

culture that just climbers and I had a pair of spandex tights but I liked a lot

because they didn't snag on nothing.

We don't want to see that picture.

I think that should be the quote like,

the star says something,

I had a pair of spin-necks that I really like.

We start talking about, what about a cause-related beer you know like okay if all this beer is good

What about a beer that has some purpose that that people would be motivated to buy because it means something beyond just, you know,

drinking good liquid.

I don't exist outside of this public lands sphere.

There's no room for me in a place where I don't have room to do what I've raised my kids to do and my kids for better or worse are the same

They're used to just getting on a horse or getting walking and like being free You know you put on the river and the phone gets put away

and you know the iPod or whatever you know the music gets put away and you know and it's there and

you're there for the 60 miles of the trip right right and so you know the

opportunity to to engage your kids with what you love grows exponentially when you can

take all those other distractions off the table.

Then they get it.

Yeah.

We'd like to thank Sitka Gear,

maker of the most effective hunting and outdoor apparel in the world for their

sponsorship of this podcast we wouldn't be here without them and I really

...