Hidden, a true crime podcast, a forensic psychologist and a journalist explore the hidden motives behind

unthinkable crimes while examining our deepest fears along the way.

This is Lauren Mathias.

And I'm Dr. John Mathias.

We're having dinner late tonight.

It's around midnight, Pacific Coast time, which seems like an appropriate

time to discuss a horror story of this magnitude. Thanks for joining us again.

It's been a couple weeks. We've been moving into our new home. We talked to a couple weeks ago when we were sitting

on Home Depot boxes. We're now sitting on a couch. Luckily, still a lot of boxes.

That we can't identify.

We still haven't found our utensils.

And we still don't have a washer and dryer, but that's coming Friday.

Living in our house at the moment may not be a crime,

but it's definitely a mystery. And speaking of

crime let's talk preliminary hearing. I know a lot of people are ready to talk

about Lori Valo de Bell. We are too, but we had a major preliminary

hearing that we first need to discuss and it's actually been requested by numerous people to please talk about bits of the preliminary

hearing including some recorded phone calls and we want to dedicate this episode to a self-identified super fan, Felicia Jones.

Thank you, Felicia for being so supportive of our podcast.

I think when we started this last month I never envisioned the possibility of a

super fan for lack of a better term but I've really appreciated your comments and

your support and your feedback and thank you and so we would like to do a

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