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Let me ask you this. You are honestly maybe one of the only voices I would want to engage with on this topic.

Archali.

Yes.

You...

Archali is a really interesting case where many people have a spouse different ideas about why it's happened the way it has.

Why is it gone on for as long as it has etc etc.

And one of the themes that people seem to keep coming back to is the idea that were it not that he was doing this to young black girls,

he wouldn't have gotten away with it for so long.

And in the book you speak about the idea of how people have sexualized the black girl.

Like she never gets to be a black girl. Sex is always what is perceived to be what she wants and what she has spouses.

You know like you talk about how a white female counterpart at the same age is not seen as sexualized.

When you look at the story of Archali, when you look at the story of these girls, when you look at how even people in the black community have reacted to it.

What do you think we're missing? What do you think we could be doing better? And what do you think...

What if you learn and what do you think we should learn from the entire story?

I think one of the things that we should learn from the story is that celebrity is a cult just like any other cult.

And so the leeway we have given Archali is in part due to the fact that we think celebrities exist above and beyond all of our social norms.

And that in fact to be excessive to excessively violate the social norms makes you more creative.

So that we have a long history of that across all forms of music, of celebrities throughout time who have dated and prayed upon young women.

And it was seen as part of their creative as such.

Right, great great great.

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