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Hackers and cyber criminals have always held this kind of special fascination.

Obviously I can tell you too much about what I do.

It's a game. Who's the best hacker? And I was like, well this is child's play.

I'm Dena Temple Restant, and on the Click Here podcast you'll meet them, and the people

trying to stop them.

We're not afraid of the attack. We're afraid of the creativity and the intelligence

of the human being behind them.

Click here, stories about the people making and breaking our digital world.

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I'm not a lie. I genuinely feel like we are the ones living in the alternate universe.

You know whenever you watch like a movie about time travel back to the future, whatever it is?

There's always the other universe, the way it could have been.

When the news said Donald Trump has listened to Kim Kardashian and pardoned some,

and I was just like, yeah, we're in that other universe.

Someone drove a delorean.

They moved like something somewhere.

And because of that, we're living in this world.

And don't get me wrong. I think she did a great thing.

She's like a cause that she's going for.

I was impressed, but I still think it's crazy that she's pushing the president on policy.

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