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Visit gsk.com to learn more. This is a CBSI in the world. I'm John Bachelor with Professor Richard Epstein of the

Hoover Institution in conversation with Ricoche, a very helpful discourse on federalism in many areas.

However, I'm going to focus on something that Richard says towards the end of the interview

about the contest of the end of the interview about the contest the competition the

challenge between the classical liberal Richard Epstein the professor and the

New Deal progressives or their

inheritors today in the 22nd century.

As I understand it, Richard, the way you presented is,

classical liberals are concerned with excessive state power and prefer the

mild and easy hand when it comes to the state power. The new dealers and I'm going back now to 1937 were interested in establishing what

we can call today monopolies or national cartels.

Who is ahead in this contest if 1937 to 2022?

Has it tipped one way or another because you say balance is very difficult to maintain.

Yes, look I mean it turns out the Commerce Clause at the federal level

had to worry about two issues. One is could state block the movement of

interstate commerce

by putting excessive safety regulations

that made it impossible to shift goods.

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