This is a CVSI in the world. I'm John Bachelor with Henry Sikalski, the non-proliferation

policy education center discussing information technology, information contest

with the People's Republic of China, which is a peer of the United States of America with

ambition to be a superior peer, make the U.S. a near peer, soon enough.

And we've been talking about how information technology can push back, this is the the information that we sometimes regard as political,

sometimes economic, sometimes philosophical or scientific,

all of that.

How can you compete with the Chinese advantage of a civil

military fusion which we do not conduct in the U.S. We have private capital advancing our case.

And what can go wrong and why turns on that?

The first, what hurts China, hurts the US,

hurts Europe, hurts Europe that is now struggling with the Ukrainian war.

That strikes me, Henry, is the first objection you would hear from Wall Street.

What are you kidding? Our profits

depend on 8% out of China or 13% out of China. Was there an answer from your

colleagues? Yes, I think it was to push back on that and there has to be.

First of all, it's worth noting.

That's not an amount of commerce that can't be tamed. It's not like we're that dependent.

I think it takes time, but you can turn that down.

More important, you can make sure that the terms of whatever commerce you're engaged in are safer

and not, you know, and beneficial more to us than they currently are.

You know, I think there's this kind of fatalism that we can't do anything.

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