I'm John Batcher. I am speaking with my colleague Michael Jan Warcoe

correspondent, Patreon. Michael Jan at patreon.com is how to find Michael's photographs and videos.

Right now we're having a conversation about what he learned in these last hours. He is in Panama. He is at the

at the edge of the Darian gap at the end of the Panama highway. He is in a rain forest. It's raining and we're discussing what he learned

before while he was in the juggle and he got out of the jungle fast enough so that he didn't sink in the mud.

Michael I now want to go to the migrant flow. You mentioned earlier that when you were there 10 days ago there were several

hundred recorded in a day coming out of the Darian gap at Bajo to Keto. What is the and you mentioned that the flow today was very

minimal three or more. Where are they Michael? Have they stopped?

Well since the last time I was there which was about 10 days ago there were you know it was flooded then the place was

overrun with migrants and you can see for instance that YouTube video I put up with the three

Venice waylands talking about the women being raped and all that they were gone. Most of the there were still maybe

a hundred there maybe migrants and they were putting them on boats but only three have come in this morning and the man

that does the western unions there at that little store in Bajo to Keto he said that none it's just like cut off in the

last week and it doesn't know exactly why but it's come down to a trickle.

Where are they Michael? Does he indicate are they have they stopped because they the route that we've talked

about in the past Africa or Asia to Brazil to Ecuador to Columbia and then to Panama walking through the Darian gap has that has that

flow stopped? It's clearly not stopped and but I did see an article about three days ago in Columbia that

said about 10,000 were backed up there but I would need to go down there to audit myself or send somebody I trust but

according to that article it was a local Columbia article but it happened to be in English about 10,000 are stopped there.

Now it could be other things the rainy season is coming and it'll be flooding up in the mountains and Darian like right now

this mud everywhere here and they get flash floods and you know I asked the people of Majo Chiquito do you ever see bodies of

migrants coming down they said not very often maybe a couple of year you know bodies that they'll see

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