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I'm John Baffler. This is the new John Baffler Show CBS audio network, Gordon Chang at

Gordon G. Chang, Gates Stone, Newsweek and the Hill is with me. And we're very pleased to welcome

our longtime colleague, Nuri Terco. Nuri is significant informant about the fate of the

weaker peoples of Xinjiang, East Turkestan. Nuri is co-founder of the weaker human rights project,

also importantly is a commissioner of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom.

Nuri, because we are one more time, flabbergasted at the conduct of the People's Republic of China

in the face of international condemnation. I read this fact, the United States State Department

and the Parliament of Canada and the Netherlands have determined that China's conduct also

constitutes genocide under international law, genocide. That is the ultimate condemnation

of a sovereign state, genocide. The new Biden administration taking some time to get organized,

developing policies. So far, have you seen from the Biden administration significant

policies that speak to genocide? Policies across the board, not just on the matter of the

State Department, but on the matter of, say, climate or trade or the Olympics. Good evening to you.

Good evening, John. Good evening, Gordon. Thank you for having me on.

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