On episode 1133, podcasting pioneer and internet legend Dave Weiner told

Jason Old Steve Jobs and Bill Gates stories from the Golden Age of Tech.

Let's see I got there in the fall of 1979 and yeah my first call was Apple. I mean I had

come there from I was living in Madison, Wisconsin and where I had gone to grad school and I

had developed two products.

One was a relational database and the other was an outliner, which is what I eventually made my career on, the first version of it, of my career.

And I wanted to hook up with somebody to publish it.

You know, I didn't want to start a company and so I had some sales background.

I have to keep this very abbreviated because it's a long

story but yeah I did meet with Steve Jobs and and and he said

said about an outliner and this is like the year before they went public

he wanted the database and yeah and he and I told him you should want the outliner. That's the product for you. I mean you've got the outliner machine here and this

fucking machine is never going to run a database.

Come on, get real.

This is like Apple 2 days or Apple 1 days.

The Apple 2 had just, they just come out with a floppy drive.

You know how much data could fit on a floppy drive?

Wow, is it 360K?

180K?

140K?

140K.

Yeah.

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