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The Ezra Klein Show

Best Of: This Is Your Brain on Deep Reading. It’s Pretty Magnificent.

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2023

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Every day, we consume a mind-boggling amount of information. We scan online news articles, sift through text messages and emails, scroll through our social-media feeds — and that’s usually before we even get out of bed in the morning. In 2009, a team of researchers found that the average American consumed about 34 gigabytes of information a day. Undoubtedly, that number would be even higher today. But what are we actually getting from this huge influx of information? How is it affecting our memories, our attention spans, our ability to think? What might this mean for today’s children, and future generations? And what does it take to read — and think — deeply in a world so flooded with constant input? Maryanne Wolf is a researcher and scholar at U.C.L.A.’s School of Education and Information Studies. Her books “Proust and the Squid: The Story and Science of the Reading Brain” and “Reader, Come Home: The Reading Brain in a Digital World” explore the relationship between the process of reading and the neuroscience of the brain. And, in Wolf’s view, our era of information overload represents a historical inflection point where our ability to read — truly, deeply read, not just scan or scroll — hangs in the balance. In this conversation, recorded in November 2022, we discuss why reading is a fundamentally “unnatural” act, how scanning and scrolling differ from “deep reading,” why it’s not accurate to say that “reading” is just one thing, how our brains process information differently when we’re reading on a Kindle or a laptop as opposed to a physical book, how exposure to such an abundance of information is rewiring our brains and reshaping our society, how to rediscover the lost art of reading books deeply, what Wolf recommends to those of us who struggle against digital distractions, what parents can do to to protect their children’s attention, how Wolf’s theory of a “biliterate brain” may save our species’ ability to deeply process language and information and more. We’ll be back on Friday, Dec. 1, with a new episode. Mentioned: The Glass Bead Game (Magister Ludi) by Hermann Hesse How We Read Now by Naomi S. Baron The Shallows by Nicholas Carr Yiruma Book Recommendations: The Gilead Novels by Marilynne Robinson World and Town by Gish Jen Standing by Words by Wendell Berry Love’s Mind by John S. Dunne Middlemarch by George Eliot Thoughts? Email us at [email protected]. (And if you’re reaching out to recommend a guest, please write “Guest Suggestion” in the subject line.) You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.

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0:13.7

Hey, it is Ezra. We're taking a couple days off for Thanksgiving, but we have here one of my absolute favorite episodes of the show recorded in November 2022 about how reading changes the brain, about how the ways in which we absorb information shifts how we understand it,

0:17.4

what we can do with it, and how we think going forward.

0:20.7

This was recorded a bit ago.

0:21.9

I think it is only more relevant now.

0:23.7

We will be back with a new episode on Friday.

0:25.9

I'm Ezer Klein.

0:31.9

This is the Ezer Klein show. Here is as

0:49.0

the thesis of this conversation put simply.

0:52.0

How we read is as deserved. of this

0:55.0

This conversation put simply. How we read is as deserving of attention as what we read

0:58.0

Maybe even more so and how we read it is changed dramatically in just a few short years.

1:05.8

And that means our minds, the way we think and interpret and reflect on the world,

1:10.6

they've changed too, and at stunning speed.

1:13.5

Literacy is an experiment humankind ran on itself,

1:16.6

that we ran ourselves pretty recently, actually,

1:19.4

and it has had remarkable, wondrous results.

1:22.3

It has changed us, and it has changed our societies. In recent

1:26.6

decades the shift to thinking and reading amidst a cacophony of digital information and dialogue and text.

1:34.4

That is another experiment we're running on ourselves and it is also a seismic one

1:39.2

and it is ongoing and it is early and we don't know how it will turn out. We don't. But people are trying to figure that out.

1:47.8

Marion Wolf is a professor at UCLA School of Education and Information Studies.

1:53.0

And she's one of the world's leading experts

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