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Today we had a it was a it was an interesting journey on the podcast today. First we start with John Ziegler, who is the most unpopular man on the planet by his choice. He is always taking the contrarian view.

But we talked about Michael Jackson and we talked about our Kelly with him and then we brought Pat into the conversation as well. Then also we started talking about story and feelings and facts and the reason why we're losing so many times conservatives, even though we have the facts, we don't have the story.

And I tried to show you with Dan Crenshaw what he said yesterday on the border that that is the way to tell a story. You tell the story, you get people emotionally attached and then you get the facts in there.

And that kind of took us the rest of the show to kind of argue back and forth with with stew eye.

Yeah, it was it's an interesting way of looking at it. I think it you know kind of encapsulates the show, but it also encapsulates the way for conservatives to communicate things that they believe in the principles they believe in without kind of getting rolled over by the media and by the left.

And I think you come up with the end with a really good formula of how to do this and something that can actually work. Yeah, that's all on today's podcast.

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Do you think he gets up in the morning and says, how can I piss more people?

It's possible. That is possible. Michael Jackson could be guilty as hell. And HBO's leaving never it neverland would still be unfair.

Those are the words of John Ziegler. Welcome to the program, John. Glenn, I'm going to put the ever unpopular on my business card.

That's what you need. So John, I actually, you know, I know this, this article when you read it, you out of thought, yeah, you know, everybody's going to disagree with me on this.

But we actually don't. We've watched this. And I think in reading your article, I think you would agree.

Most likely these guys are telling the truth. Most likely this guy, Michael Jackson did this to these kids and many others.

But he's not around to defend himself. And we're just presenting one side. This is dangerous.

That's why I wrote the column. However, that that column was written a couple of days ago and I'm not sure I would write the same column today because I'm quite sure that one of the two guys in that H HBO quote unquote documentary Wade Robson is not telling the truth.

Yeah. And let me put this way. If he is telling the truth, then we might as well throw away the entire judicial system because there is absolutely positively no way for an accused person to defend themselves.

Because the Wade Robson story is on paper is a complete joke. And I purposely went into watching the Neverland movie.

I don't want to call it a documentary because it's ridiculously one sided even if Jackson is guilty. Let me just say I hate this subject.

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