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Hi it's Mike, it's Saturday. It's the Saturday show where normally we bring you one from the

vault and one from the week. I'm straying from that. I sometimes do. When the exception becomes almost as common as the rule, do we should I am I obliged to say one from the vault one from the

vault one from the week I'm going to play two segments that occurred neither of

which erred on the, nor were meant to.

One was conceived of been conducted before the jister, really even podcasting, was something

that anyone had thought of, and the other was a segment I did as a guest on the News Nation network.

So first up we will have Philip Zambardo, the Stanford psychiatrist and experimenter, he was 91 you might know him from the

Stanford prison experiment I'm sure Stanford is so happy to have the brand

forever associated with that but it was an interesting experiment now seen as unethical

which is embargo flat out says and they got college students they put them in a

dungeon they got other college students they said you were the guards and abuse occurred. It went off too long and that's why he's embargo cops to it. I did this interview with him in 2008 he had just written a book called The Lucifer Effect show called Bryant Park Project on NPR.

I have some critiques of how I talk.

I'm a little too serious and I have a little bit too much of a New York accent,

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